Comments on: Ergo Proxy - 11 - Yay for Phylosophy :)

by: psgels

Sat, 10 Jun 2006 22:52:48 +0100

Ah, yes. Sorry for the misunderstanding. A phylosophy student indeed has very different views on this subject than a person who followed the subject for one measly year in high-school. ^^;

by: Cos

Sat, 10 Jun 2006 22:44:17 +0100

No,I’m not saying you’ve got giddly or anything,it’s just that I’m doing philosophy studies and i don’t really like this idea of using philosophy to sell;even if they managed to do it quite well in this anime particulary.(I remember how they destroyed the last episode of Gankutsou,I hope it wont have the same fate).

By the way for philosophical anime I forgot the ultimate reference:all movies by Oshii.

by: psgels

Sat, 10 Jun 2006 22:40:06 +0100

Oh, and no problem concerning the double-posts, and thanks for the recommendations. ^_^

by: psgels

Sat, 10 Jun 2006 22:37:34 +0100

I think I understand what you’re trying to say. That’s indeed another way to see it. Still, you can also say that this anime is making its own version of these quotes. It’s kindof like historical anime, in a way. Still, I’m indeed ashamed to say that I remain a neophyte at this subject. I’ve gotten a bit phylosophy lessons, barely enough to see the whole picture a bit. You can indeed say that I got a bit giddly when I was able to recognize these quotes.

by: Cos

Sat, 10 Jun 2006 22:37:03 +0100

On a side not if you really like clever anime try Evangelion(freudism),Jin Roh(moral),everything Ghibli(many themes but mostly ecology),Cowboy Bebop(especially the movie) and Martian Succesor Nadescico The Movie(even if it seems stupid at first,it’s a lot more intelligent than everyone thinks)..These are all I can directly think of,if another comes to my mind I’ll tell you later.
By the way sorry for double posting,and enjoy Higurashi 9.

by: Cos

Sat, 10 Jun 2006 22:14:57 +0100

I think the ergo and the guardian are directly taken from Freud’s works,the guardian represent Vincent “superego” and the Ego represent in this episode vincent’s “it”.
In fact Ego and Vincent could also represent duality between the soul and the body from Descartes philosophy…
Or maybe I’m just going to deeply,in fact what I hate is that they use a lot of philosophic references as “answers” for Vincent identity quest,when they cited Rousseau I think I was about to blow the screen…They’re using philosophy not as a question but as way,sorry I’m not good at expressing myself on these subjects in English.
Let’s just say that it looks like they reinterpret various quote totaly out of there original context,wich would make any neophyte have a bad conception of french philosophy.
In a word it’s an anime that makes you think that you have much too think on it,but shamefully it’s just a rather classic scenario devlopped in a way that seems very elitist.

On an other end,if you are just watching it for fun,this episode was incredibly good.