Comments on: Gambling Apocalypse Kaiji - 19

by: BlueYoshi

Mon, 25 Feb 2008 08:31:20 +0000

Have Regan and Angus even seen an episode of Shion no Ou yet? Shion is DEFINITELY not playing for ranks and maybe even not for fun. Story details are really slow paced with Shion no Ou as well, but there is tons more of character development and it has its own share of intensity at times.

I kinda knew that Tonegawa was cheating. You know…after winning 7 times in a row, you just get that obvious feeling.xD Episode 20 makes up for the disappointment that 19 gave me though. Watch it now!

by: Angus

Sun, 24 Feb 2008 03:42:30 +0000

I agree with Regen - I don’t really see what is so great about Shion no Ou. Shows like Akagi and Kaiji often get berated for being too slow but you have to remember these shows portrays the inner thought processes of men GAMBLING FOR LIFE AND LIMB here - facing death in the eye. To me this is the complete opposite to what you say - Kaiji is one of the most intense shows I’ve seen in a long because of it’s sheer realism. In Shion no ou, what if she loses a match she goes down a rank in the Shogi league - who cares? I realize that there is more than Shogi to Shion no ou, but for me Kaiji is a way more intense experience

by: deltazechs

Sat, 23 Feb 2008 18:10:21 +0000

It’s just my opinion, but you can’t possibly expect any kind of brilliant tactic from a game of E-Card. The entire game IS based on probability and body language speculation, which means that it ACTUALLY makes sense for Tonagawa to cheat against Kaiji. In fact, I thought it would be far-fetched for Tonagawa to win 7 times consecutively without cheating.

by: Regen

Sat, 23 Feb 2008 14:23:01 +0000

I think that Kaiji is more fast packed than Shion no Hou. Kaiji has to survive, an error in his gambling and he is dead. Shion plays just for fun, there are not consequences, she can lose all her games then come back again.

by: bigjig

Sat, 23 Feb 2008 03:32:13 +0000

The problem with Kaiji is that you either “get it” (for want of a better expression) or you don’t. What a lot of other shows will do is play up to fanboyism, put a loli in the show to look at, or some overdone robot battle to cover up for the cliched, boring bits in the show and wallah the show becomes popular.

Kaiji, on the other hand, has none of this - the art style is out there, the story style is out there and if you don’t like it, you just don’t like it. The gap between loving this show and hating this show is just too great for it to become a classic.

Regarding your post however, I think you did have the wrong expectations when starting the show. Kaiji is not shounen - it isn’t about Kaiji coming up with some far-fetched “ideas to win money”. Yes Kaiji does have a formula to it and if you just watch for the gambling I can see how you would become disappointed.

Kaiji isn’t really a show about gambling at all though, rather it uses gambling to portray the human struggle - Yes Kaiji will win some and lose some, hey that’s life. The way that Kaiji rises above it and presses on when he is losing is what makes him such an endearing character.

The show is not about “a bunch of yakuza who like to bully young adults”. It is about one young adult you struggles to rise up and fight the power and move forward in life (resembling the “rat race” struggle in the society around us?)

The “gambling” presented in this is not the main course of the show at all, it is rather like the hors d’oeuvres. Of course you are going to be going home on an empty stomach if you’re just watching Kaiji for the gambling - you’re missing out on the main course!!

Anyway I could go on and on about what makes Kaiji great, but I get the feeling it isn’t going to make any difference. You don’t like Kaiji? That’s okay - it never does try to go out of its way to appeal to everyone. Hey, I hated apparently popular shows like TTGL and Haruhi - to each his own I guess.

(Even though we seem to disagree on Kaiji, I do enjoy reading your blog by the way - keep up the good work!)

by: totoum

Fri, 22 Feb 2008 18:51:39 +0000

thanks psgels,i’ll do that :)

I forgot to mention that the fact I strongly disagree with the vision of the world that is presented in kaiji doesn’t help either,it prevents me from enjoying the side of the series that ik is talking about.

by: psgels

Fri, 22 Feb 2008 18:29:56 +0000

Totoum: all I can say about Shion no Ou is: watch it! There’s no need to know anything about shougi, and you’ll pick up everything you need to know through the series.

by: ik

Fri, 22 Feb 2008 18:23:10 +0000

lol, it seems people watch the show for completely different reasons (I think the show has gotten better since the end of the RPS arc actually).
It has never really been a sports/game series at all. Instead, it is more of a bildungsroman, and an excellent one at that. Kaiji is one of the most realistic and best developed protagonists I have seen in a long time.

by: totoum

Fri, 22 Feb 2008 18:01:05 +0000

thank you thank you thank you,my thoughts exactly.
i want to pick up Shion no Ou ,but i know stricly nothing about the game,i at least knew a little Mah-jong before watching akagi.Could i still follow it.
Did you ever finish akagi by the way?loved the first 2 arcs but never did like the rest as much,and anyway,one other thing i don’t like about this arc is that it just reminds me too much of the last arc of akagi,the setting,the camera shots,the old man and so on…