As I’ve mentioned in a previous comment (#12), I think this episode already makes it clear that the Casshern in this series is neither a cyborg nor an “android human” (in the sense of originally being human). So far, it is already revealed that Casshern, Dio, and Leda were created by Ohji, but there is no indication whatsoever that any one of the three was originally human.

Ohji explains that Casshern, Dio, and Leda are robots with a “different body composition”. Whether that difference from “older robots” refers to something organic, nanotech, or something else; is yet to be revealed. That is, if it’s even going to be.

And I think it is already established that Casshern Sins is no retcon. There was someone who seems to be a fan of the original series that was adamantly arguing with me on that before, but after seeing the scene about Luna’s childhood (episode 10), he conceded.

I guess, in the next episode, we’ll learn why Braiking Boss has that kind of control over Casshern. That will probably provide enough material to fill that episode… that, along with Lyuze, hopefully, “giving Ringo a hand” - which I’d first like to see.

But the fact of him becomming immortal by either bathing in her blood or somehow her blood is inside him. Notice when he is saying, “Kill Luna” he is grabbing his own chest and trying to kill himself. That may also be why the rumor that if you “eat” casshern you become immortal is going around, because luna or her blood is inside of him.

I’ve thought as much (Luna in some form existing within Casshern), but the scene in question could also be viewed as Casshern redirecting his destructive compulsion to himself for the first time. Remember, before he sunk his fingers to his own chest, his hands were at the brink of crushing Ringo’s face.

Okay…there’s a connection between Ringo and Luna (how they both touch Casshern’s face and tells him it’s not his fault). Can Ringo be a remake of Luna?

As I’ve pointed out in a comment for the post about the previous episode, Luna said that Casshern “is slowly changing her”, in one of the flashbacks. Maybe Ringo is the result of that “change”?

Or maybe, Ohji tried to salvage Luna by putting her cells, DNA, mind (or a copy of her brainwave patterns), spiritual essence, or something along the lines of those, in a robot body - resulting in some kind of a half-robot (half-something else) hybrid which is now the character we know as “Ringo”.

If there’s anything I’ve learned about Casshern Sins by now, it’s that miraculous things could just happen with the details of the supporting pseudo-science (or any decent explanation for that matter) merely being optional.

It’s still a bit of a wrong comparison, IMO, but I can guess why the beginning of the episode reminded him of it.

Judging from the URL, I think I might have already seen a bit of that before. Thanks, but no, thanks. If I look at it now, it will probably just ruin my day.

I’ve just seen the subbed vid, and I kind of figured out as much. I guess I just didn’t care enough about what I saw in that part the first time I viewed it, so I completely forgot about it. I feel a bit stupid, but I don’t regret what I’ve said, as it is something that I’ve been wanting to say for a long time - I just never had the opportunity to do so.

@ Machi:
I now see what you meant by Lyuze “rubbing it in” (you weren’t kidding). Apparently, Casshern has “matured”, and is now more stoic and less emotional, and it seems that Lyuze’s blaming doesn’t cut as deep anymore (although it has gone to an all-time high in this episode). I also like to think that Casshern is perceptive enough to see that Lyuze has only her sister’s death and her revenge to hang on to. It’s what’s been keeping her alive and going (not to mention in a pretty good condition) all this time, and that kind of thing isn’t something that’s easy to let go of, even in lieu of something that might be better. I’m sure he understands where she’s coming from. By the way, him warning her about the unstable ground, I thought, was a nice gesture. Although I can’t help but think of it as a metaphor for something. Maybe someone here could figure it out.

What’s interesting about this episode is that while Lyuze kept nagging Casshern about him causing the Ruin, in the end, she finds out that Braiking Boss is the one who gave the order to kill Luna (and why) and sees for herself how Casshern is still very much under his influence. Add to that, she witnesses Ringo telling Casshern the exact opposite of what she’s been saying all this time. Surely that must have at least made her think. As I’ve said before, it would be interesting to see how they’d get along after the events in this episode.

It’s still a bit of a wrong comparison, IMO, but I can guess why the beginning of the episode reminded him of it.

You see the problem with CASSHERNxLYUZE is very clear in this episode, she loves telling him its his fault and drills it in too deeply.

I think I’ve already mentioned that there’s a “high wall” between Casshern and Lyuze… as well as “development”… As before, I suggest that we just sit back, relax, and see how things unfold. As for me, I’m confident that Casshern-x-Lyuze is going to be a canon couple. If I’m wrong, I’ll accept I’m wrong. No problem.

wow, the very beginning made me think emoyoutube fag. LEAVE HIM ALONE!! HES NOT BAD!! LEAVE HIM ALONE BAWWWWWW!!

The beginning of the show? The beginning of this episode? Or the first comment (which would be mine)? Your comment too reminds me of those people who like to throw words like “gay” and “fag” around, but later on turns out to be the ones who are actually dealing with homosexual feelings of some sort.

I think it’s already been established that the main character of the show is “emo”. The show itself in general isn’t the type for chauvinists and sleazebags. Of course, neither chauvinism nor sleaziness necessarily equates to “heterosexuality”; just as sensitivity, being emotional, or even effeminacy doesn’t necessarily equate to “homosexuality” - if that’s what you’re getting at.

Going back to the episode I liked how they slowly made that revelation that the man sitting with them was Braiking Boss. The music and the animations really built up the atmosphere, this is what I love about the show~ It was interesting to find out that Casshern, Dio, and Leda were actually robots built to procreate (though they ended up as killing machines). Looks like Leda may be making use of that fact on Dio. Can’t wait for 14 but it looks like that will be released after new year(?).

On a sidenote OST of the anime is coming out 1/28/09 for those interested.

You just want that shipping XD you know the real shipping is CASSHERNxRINGO.

I’ll take that as a sick joke.

“Casshern-x-Lyuze” is not a romantic development that I just want to see or happen; I know it’s going to happen. The hints are just too overwhelmingly plenty.

I never saw the relationship between Casshern and Ringo in a romantic or sexual context, but if that’s how you see it, you’re entitled to that I guess.

But going back to Casshern and Lyuze, I’m expecting at least some hugging between them in the next episode. Remember how Leda calmed Dio down in episode 10? Maybe something like that.

Looking at the preview of 14 looks like more revelations are about to bear fruit, that plus Leda and Dio seem to be making a move.

More like Leda’s making a move on Dio. Just kidding.

I do wonder however if Leda intends to make a move against Braiking boss, after all he still was once their boss so if anything he could still be a threat to whatever domination plan she seems to be scheming. Can’t wait for this to be subbed~ Heh looks like Casshern SINS is picking up on explaining more of the past. But the bigger question remains as to what happened to Luna and why is Casshern immortal.

On a side note I am glad that Braiking boss appeared again since his only appearance was from episode 1, and it seemed kinda odd that he only got a few lines of dialogue while seeming important at that episode.

There was something that I should have been reminded of when you said that Ohji created Casshern, and should’ve mentioned in my previous comment - but I wasn’t. It was something I’ve been waiting till I’ve seen this episode before saying, and I guess this is a good enough time for it.

Some days ago, the idea that the main cast of Casshern Sins are kinda like a “family”, occured to me:
Casshern - father/husband
Lyuze - mother/wife
Ringo - daughter
Ohji - grandfather
Friender - family dog
Dio & Leda - bad neighbors
Braiking Boss - Casshern’s boss
… well, something like that. But I never thought that Ohji’s gonna turn out to actually be “Casshern’s father”, even in a “Pinnochio story” kind of sense.

But anyway, what I said in my previous post about Casshern still considering Lyuze as some sort of “hostile element” is obviously not the case anymore. I don’t understand a great majority of the dialogue, but it’s clear to me that Casshern is now more comfortable with talking to Lyuze, and Lyuze is hardly that vindictive and hostile towards Casshern anymore - even in comparison to how they were to each other in episode 09. But recalling all the good stuff I’ve seen in this episode (like how “concerned” Lyuze was when Casshern started having a headache), that even seems like an understatement. As a shipper, it’s interesting to see how Casshern and Lyuze would get along now that the former is, more or less, finally “in the clear” regarding Luna’s murder, Lize’s death, and the Ruin that followed. THANK YOU, Braiking Boss. THANK YOU.

The bond between the two of them really seems to be a central one in this series; it seems even more important than the one between Casshern and Lyuze…

Casshern and Lyuze are still enemies afterall. My theory is that Casshern’s “defense mechanism” has at least 3 modes or stages; “Neutral” (his hair is showing) - when there is no threat around, “Battle” (his hair is covered) - his standard fighting mode in which he is still in control, and “Berserk” (his eyes are glowing green) - activated when there is a high level of threat around or when he is angry.

I don’t know if anyone else has noticed, but Casshern has never been around Lyuze in his “Neutral” mode - which would be his most vulnerable state. Compare that to how he’s “hanged out” with almost every other “important character” althroughout the first half of the series (most especially Sophita). But that only sets Lyuze, and Casshern’s relationship with her, apart from the rest. “What makes it special” even.

There’s just so much wall between Casshern and Lyuze for a bond to be truly seen between them. Casshern is obviously ridden with guilt and probably thinks it’s unfair to ask anything of Lyuze other than to kill him and have her revenge/justice, and Lyuze probably still couldn’t bring herself to just accept the man whom she have blamed and hated all this time despite seeing for herself that he’s not as bad as she had believed. But once they both get over that high wall (or through it), I’m sure that it’s gonna be pretty awesome.