Comments on: Aoi Hana - 02 http://psgels.blogsome.com/2009/07/11/aoi-hana-02/ An anime blog covering a large variety of series, both popular and underrated. Sat, 11 Feb 2012 15:08:12 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.1-alpha by: AlexS http://psgels.blogsome.com/2009/07/11/aoi-hana-02/#comment-14610 Wed, 15 Jul 2009 00:34:50 +0100 http://psgels.blogsome.com/2009/07/11/aoi-hana-02/#comment-14610 At the risk of sounding cranky, I do regret the slightly irritating voice of Aa-chan. Perhaps it will improve as she grows up? At the risk of sounding cranky, I do regret the slightly irritating voice of Aa-chan. Perhaps it will improve as she grows up?

]]> by: tealovertoma http://psgels.blogsome.com/2009/07/11/aoi-hana-02/#comment-14566 Sun, 12 Jul 2009 20:55:58 +0100 http://psgels.blogsome.com/2009/07/11/aoi-hana-02/#comment-14566 Finally I get to be on-topic: what a great episode! This anime's so gonna be up there with other great romance anime! It's subtle and the characters are lovely. Props for the soundtrack too, very nice. I actually wouldn't mind if this turns out to be 26 episodes. Finally I get to be on-topic: what a great episode! This anime’s so gonna be up there with other great romance anime! It’s subtle and the characters are lovely. Props for the soundtrack too, very nice. I actually wouldn’t mind if this turns out to be 26 episodes.

]]> by: JC http://psgels.blogsome.com/2009/07/11/aoi-hana-02/#comment-14531 Sat, 11 Jul 2009 21:26:43 +0100 http://psgels.blogsome.com/2009/07/11/aoi-hana-02/#comment-14531 In bakemonogatari the characters are the story. The story is about average people, the supernatural events parallel their lives in someoneway. I mean its not suppose to be taken in as a an anime with some deep supernatural plot or over dramaticized characters. Its the dialogue that makes the show, and how they discuss the events surrounding them. I suggest you give it another shot because its now moving into the next arc which introduce some interesting characters. In the next arc you learn why the main character is such a nice guy, its not for the sake of it but because of a psychological complex that he has developed. Hitagi also becomes fleshed out and deeper to the point that she eventually *spoilers* lets hers guard down and establish a sane relationship with another person. Their dysfunctions are fully explored and then its revealed how they complement each other. I would say the characters later on are not so stereotypical but rather complement the next mystery arcs that follow. I think the fanservice in the beginning might have been a way for Hitagi to show her scars from the surgery to koyomi. In bakemonogatari the characters are the story. The story is about average people, the supernatural events parallel their lives in someoneway. I mean its not suppose to be taken in as a an anime with some deep supernatural plot or over dramaticized characters. Its the dialogue that makes the show, and how they discuss the events surrounding them. I suggest you give it another shot because its now moving into the next arc which introduce some interesting characters. In the next arc you learn why the main character is such a nice guy, its not for the sake of it but because of a psychological complex that he has developed. Hitagi also becomes fleshed out and deeper to the point that she eventually *spoilers* lets hers guard down and establish a sane relationship with another person. Their dysfunctions are fully explored and then its revealed how they complement each other. I would say the characters later on are not so stereotypical but rather complement the next mystery arcs that follow. I think the fanservice in the beginning might have been a way for Hitagi to show her scars from the surgery to koyomi.

]]> by: aegd http://psgels.blogsome.com/2009/07/11/aoi-hana-02/#comment-14515 Sat, 11 Jul 2009 16:04:37 +0100 http://psgels.blogsome.com/2009/07/11/aoi-hana-02/#comment-14515 "Lodoss introduced western fantasy style and Tenchi Muyo invented the new harem genre. Now also these formats are coming to exaustion." I think you are wrong as far as "western fantasy" is concerned. A majority of the series produced are more like J-RPG's. The only exceptions I can think of are Berserk, Lodoss Wars and Guin Saga. They are more like western fantasy, but they are still orginally written/drawn by Japanese and even if the style is somewhat western inspired it's still far from classic fantasy like the works of Tad Williams, George R.R martin, Raymond e fiest, J.R.R Tolkien... among others. “Lodoss introduced western fantasy style and Tenchi Muyo invented the new harem genre. Now also these formats are coming to exaustion.”

I think you are wrong as far as “western fantasy” is concerned. A majority of the series produced are more like J-RPG’s. The only exceptions I can think of are Berserk, Lodoss Wars and Guin Saga. They are more like western fantasy, but they are still orginally written/drawn by Japanese and even if the style is somewhat western inspired it’s still far from classic fantasy like the works of Tad Williams, George R.R martin, Raymond e fiest, J.R.R Tolkien… among others.

]]> by: psgels http://psgels.blogsome.com/2009/07/11/aoi-hana-02/#comment-14513 Sat, 11 Jul 2009 15:35:41 +0100 http://psgels.blogsome.com/2009/07/11/aoi-hana-02/#comment-14513 That last paragraph is interesting, but at the time of the invention of these new genres, there also was a lot of bad stuff going on. Based on my impressions, if you look at 1995 the ratio of good to bad shows is about 11:27. Based on the same standard, the ratio of good to bad shows of the past spring season is for me 19:17, which is much higher. So I don't agree that today's anime lacks sould. However, if you meant to say that today's anime lacks originality, then okay, I can see more in that. The only series that really attempted to go beyond genres of the past spring season was Marie&Gali (Eden of the East, though impressive, was just another mystery-series in the end, although it did try). 1995 had Evangelion, Ghost in the Shell, the beginning of CG, Memories and in a way also the Ping Pong Club (raunchiest fanservice ever in a TV-series at least) and Romeo's Blue Skies (combining WMT with action). I agree that today's anime should be more experimental, and daring to try out new stuff, but that's not the same as today's anime having lost its soul. Okay, I created a post on the matter, continue your discussion there: http://psgels.blogsome.com/2009/07/11/anime-nowadays-is-at-a-standstill-true-or-not/ That last paragraph is interesting, but at the time of the invention of these new genres, there also was a lot of bad stuff going on. Based on my impressions, if you look at 1995 the ratio of good to bad shows is about 11:27. Based on the same standard, the ratio of good to bad shows of the past spring season is for me 19:17, which is much higher. So I don’t agree that today’s anime lacks sould.

However, if you meant to say that today’s anime lacks originality, then okay, I can see more in that. The only series that really attempted to go beyond genres of the past spring season was Marie&Gali (Eden of the East, though impressive, was just another mystery-series in the end, although it did try). 1995 had Evangelion, Ghost in the Shell, the beginning of CG, Memories and in a way also the Ping Pong Club (raunchiest fanservice ever in a TV-series at least) and Romeo’s Blue Skies (combining WMT with action). I agree that today’s anime should be more experimental, and daring to try out new stuff, but that’s not the same as today’s anime having lost its soul.

Okay, I created a post on the matter, continue your discussion there:
http://psgels.blogsome.com/2009/07/11/anime-nowadays-is-at-a-standstill-true-or-not/

]]> by: Solaris http://psgels.blogsome.com/2009/07/11/aoi-hana-02/#comment-14512 Sat, 11 Jul 2009 14:57:44 +0100 http://psgels.blogsome.com/2009/07/11/aoi-hana-02/#comment-14512 Psgels i didn't say that. I just say the amount of series overall increased, thus implied the bad series also increased. The question is, did the proportion between good and bad remained stable or not? I think it decreased a lot. That is to say you will find more bad series nowadays with respect to the good ones. Westlo, if we take that is the real amount of anime produced in that whole year 1995, then notice that that's average the number of series nowadays produced in a single season. The question is, are there many more good series now with respect to back then? I think we have less, but luckily that's my IMHO ;). Of course whan we speak of good and bad we should make clear what we intend for. "good" is such a subjective matter. But this would generate another full thread, so let us it be by now. I watched anime since 70's. I could tell you a lot of what happened back then. The situation of 80's was very interesting, as it resembled what it's happening today. Back then the most popular format were Big Robots anime stile (not mecha) and magical girls show. After 10 years they exploited such genres there were a big lack of new ideas. So with the start of the new decade they searched new ideas and format to make anime. The market succeeded in renewing itself back them. New genres were made and the anime "maturity" also evolved. As anime public grew, there was the need of much mature series. It wasn't anymore just a matter of kids show. Series like Sailor Moon or Evangelion also renewed the old magical girl and robot formats. Lodoss introduced western fantasy style and Tenchi Muyo invented the new harem genre. Now also these formats are coming to exaustion. Will the anime market be able to create new contents genres and stories in the future? From what i see now, the market is closing itself to those genres that are still popular and they know it will sell. There isn't search for newa, just to wrap up something with a good container and sell that. Psgels i didn’t say that. I just say the amount of series overall increased, thus implied the bad series also increased. The question is, did the proportion between good and bad remained stable or not? I think it decreased a lot. That is to say you will find more bad series nowadays with respect to the good ones.

Westlo, if we take that is the real amount of anime produced in that whole year 1995, then notice that that’s average the number of series nowadays produced in a single season.
The question is, are there many more good series now with respect to back then? I think we have less, but luckily that’s my IMHO ;).

Of course whan we speak of good and bad we should make clear what we intend for. “good” is such a subjective matter. But this would generate another full thread, so let us it be by now.

I watched anime since 70’s. I could tell you a lot of what happened back then. The situation of 80’s was very interesting, as it resembled what it’s happening today. Back then the most popular format were Big Robots anime stile (not mecha) and magical girls show. After 10 years they exploited such genres there were a big lack of new ideas. So with the start of the new decade they searched new ideas and format to make anime. The market succeeded in renewing itself back them. New genres were made and the anime “maturity” also evolved. As anime public grew, there was the need of much mature series. It wasn’t anymore just a matter of kids show. Series like Sailor Moon or Evangelion also renewed the old magical girl and robot formats. Lodoss introduced western fantasy style and Tenchi Muyo invented the new harem genre. Now also these formats are coming to exaustion. Will the anime market be able to create new contents genres and stories in the future? From what i see now, the market is closing itself to those genres that are still popular and they know it will sell. There isn’t search for newa, just to wrap up something with a good container and sell that.

]]> by: reverse http://psgels.blogsome.com/2009/07/11/aoi-hana-02/#comment-14511 Sat, 11 Jul 2009 14:29:22 +0100 http://psgels.blogsome.com/2009/07/11/aoi-hana-02/#comment-14511 I'm not saying that I like the old show better. but i do agree with solaris to some extent, almost everything get animeted now, the standard sure is low. I’m not saying that I like the old show better. but i do agree with solaris to some extent, almost everything get animeted now, the standard sure is low.

]]> by: Westlo http://psgels.blogsome.com/2009/07/11/aoi-hana-02/#comment-14510 Sat, 11 Jul 2009 14:04:49 +0100 http://psgels.blogsome.com/2009/07/11/aoi-hana-02/#comment-14510 The main appeal of Bakemonogatari is the dialogue and conversations between characters which is never wasted... which is what you expect from light novels.. Hardly something I would classify as a pretty anime with no substance. "Crap haw always existed, but why now it looks like we have too much of it lately?" I'll tell you why, can you name another show that aired in the same season as Evangelion did? You've had the best titles cherry picked from the 80-90's without seeing the amount of crap that aired during the same time. It's pointless to say "Anime was consistently better back in the day" when you don't even know the majority of shit that aired back than. Here's a list of what aired in 95 http://www.animenfo.com/animebyyear.php?pagenumber=1&action=Go&perpage=30&year=1995 Don't tell me that's better than 2006 or 2007 or you're overdosing on nostaglia. Eva and GITS Movie are the only real notable shows from that year. Majority of 95 ranges from mediocre to crap if you look at it without rose tinted glasses. The main appeal of Bakemonogatari is the dialogue and conversations between characters which is never wasted… which is what you expect from light novels.. Hardly something I would classify as a pretty anime with no substance.

“Crap haw always existed, but why now it looks like we have too much of it lately?”

I’ll tell you why, can you name another show that aired in the same season as Evangelion did? You’ve had the best titles cherry picked from the 80-90’s without seeing the amount of crap that aired during the same time.

It’s pointless to say “Anime was consistently better back in the day” when you don’t even know the majority of shit that aired back than.

Here’s a list of what aired in 95

http://www.animenfo.com/animebyyear.php?pagenumber=1&action=Go&perpage=30&year=1995

Don’t tell me that’s better than 2006 or 2007 or you’re overdosing on nostaglia. Eva and GITS Movie are the only real notable shows from that year. Majority of 95 ranges from mediocre to crap if you look at it without rose tinted glasses.

]]> by: psgels http://psgels.blogsome.com/2009/07/11/aoi-hana-02/#comment-14509 Sat, 11 Jul 2009 14:00:41 +0100 http://psgels.blogsome.com/2009/07/11/aoi-hana-02/#comment-14509 With "the amount of bad series has increased", do you mean the total amount of bad series produced each year, or the amount of bad series in relation to the amount of good series? There are of course more bad series out there than twenty years ago, simply because much more anime are produced these days. Today however, there are still plenty of series with good storytelling IMO, also with a bigger quantity. With “the amount of bad series has increased”, do you mean the total amount of bad series produced each year, or the amount of bad series in relation to the amount of good series? There are of course more bad series out there than twenty years ago, simply because much more anime are produced these days. Today however, there are still plenty of series with good storytelling IMO, also with a bigger quantity.

]]> by: Solaris http://psgels.blogsome.com/2009/07/11/aoi-hana-02/#comment-14508 Sat, 11 Jul 2009 13:43:11 +0100 http://psgels.blogsome.com/2009/07/11/aoi-hana-02/#comment-14508 Well, anime has always been a media for the crowd. Anime production surely grew up since 60's both in graphic quality and in number of products. It eventually became well known worldwide too. Now after 50 years of anime we are reaching saturation. Crap haw always existed, but why now it looks like we have too much of it lately? Maybe is just a matter of quantity. We have little formats for anime and a huge amount of products now. We have too many products that resemble each other. We're loosing originality. Soeone just told this before: now it's no more a matter of creating new stories, but how well you can manage to tell them and how good you let them appear. So, focus is being biased from contenent to appearance. So it's no more the matter of telling a story that it looks so generic, like in bakemonogatari. The matter is to capture the audience with good graphics, or moe char or whatever mean, but good storytelling. That's the real issue. Well, anime has always been a media for the crowd. Anime production surely grew up since 60’s both in graphic quality and in number of products. It eventually became well known worldwide too. Now after 50 years of anime we are reaching saturation. Crap haw always existed, but why now it looks like we have too much of it lately? Maybe is just a matter of quantity. We have little formats for anime and a huge amount of products now. We have too many products that resemble each other. We’re loosing originality. Soeone just told this before: now it’s no more a matter of creating new stories, but how well you can manage to tell them and how good you let them appear. So, focus is being biased from contenent to appearance. So it’s no more the matter of telling a story that it looks so generic, like in bakemonogatari. The matter is to capture the audience with good graphics, or moe char or whatever mean, but good storytelling. That’s the real issue.

]]> by: psgels http://psgels.blogsome.com/2009/07/11/aoi-hana-02/#comment-14507 Sat, 11 Jul 2009 12:47:30 +0100 http://psgels.blogsome.com/2009/07/11/aoi-hana-02/#comment-14507 Solaris: nah. Bakemonogatari may be one example of a soulless series (which if we were to believe Westlo, doesn't even seem to be true), but there are plenty of series with a soul this season (Aoi Hana, GA, Umineko, Tokyo Magnitude, Spice and Wolf and Umi Monogatari, not to mention the series from previous seasons). I agree that the seventies and eighties had some wonderful series, but even those days had their share of disasters, which in most cases were even worse than the crap we see today. Glass Mask, for example, was a really bad series, and there are probably plenty more of those series back then. Solaris: nah. Bakemonogatari may be one example of a soulless series (which if we were to believe Westlo, doesn’t even seem to be true), but there are plenty of series with a soul this season (Aoi Hana, GA, Umineko, Tokyo Magnitude, Spice and Wolf and Umi Monogatari, not to mention the series from previous seasons).

I agree that the seventies and eighties had some wonderful series, but even those days had their share of disasters, which in most cases were even worse than the crap we see today. Glass Mask, for example, was a really bad series, and there are probably plenty more of those series back then.

]]> by: tealovertoma http://psgels.blogsome.com/2009/07/11/aoi-hana-02/#comment-14506 Sat, 11 Jul 2009 12:38:50 +0100 http://psgels.blogsome.com/2009/07/11/aoi-hana-02/#comment-14506 The full discussion is still there though, just click "[older messages]" The full discussion is still there though, just click “[older messages]”

]]> by: Solaris http://psgels.blogsome.com/2009/07/11/aoi-hana-02/#comment-14505 Sat, 11 Jul 2009 12:38:07 +0100 http://psgels.blogsome.com/2009/07/11/aoi-hana-02/#comment-14505 @westlo. I judge for what i watch to. Anime and novel are related only by topic. One could be utter crap while the other could be plain art. My first impression on Bakemonogatari anime was negative, as they wanted to keep our interest with that flashing graphics, but that there wasn't that much of a story to begin with. @westlo.
I judge for what i watch to. Anime and novel are related only by topic. One could be utter crap while the other could be plain art.
My first impression on Bakemonogatari anime was negative, as they wanted to keep our interest with that flashing graphics, but that there wasn’t that much of a story to begin with.

]]> by: Solaris http://psgels.blogsome.com/2009/07/11/aoi-hana-02/#comment-14504 Sat, 11 Jul 2009 12:32:50 +0100 http://psgels.blogsome.com/2009/07/11/aoi-hana-02/#comment-14504 @Tealovertoma. The shoubox is something like a chat and it doens't keep track forever. I remember joining that discussion as well with a couple shouts myself. We'd rather need a forum to keep track of the discussion by topic. @Tealovertoma. The shoubox is something like a chat and it doens’t keep track forever.
I remember joining that discussion as well with a couple shouts myself.

We’d rather need a forum to keep track of the discussion by topic.

]]> by: Westlo http://psgels.blogsome.com/2009/07/11/aoi-hana-02/#comment-14503 Sat, 11 Jul 2009 12:25:01 +0100 http://psgels.blogsome.com/2009/07/11/aoi-hana-02/#comment-14503 "Pity it happens more and more often nowadays. Anime’s graphics continues improving but contenents keep decreasig" Lol @ this being applied to Bakemonogatari, NisiOisin isn't considered the god of light novels for nothing. “Pity it happens more and more often nowadays. Anime’s graphics continues improving but contenents keep decreasig”

Lol @ this being applied to Bakemonogatari, NisiOisin isn’t considered the god of light novels for nothing.

]]> by: tealovertoma http://psgels.blogsome.com/2009/07/11/aoi-hana-02/#comment-14502 Sat, 11 Jul 2009 12:05:51 +0100 http://psgels.blogsome.com/2009/07/11/aoi-hana-02/#comment-14502 @ Solaris: You should read the discussion we had on "old anime being better than new anime" in the shoutbox a couple of days ago. @ Solaris: You should read the discussion we had on “old anime being better than new anime” in the shoutbox a couple of days ago.

]]> by: Solaris http://psgels.blogsome.com/2009/07/11/aoi-hana-02/#comment-14501 Sat, 11 Jul 2009 12:02:11 +0100 http://psgels.blogsome.com/2009/07/11/aoi-hana-02/#comment-14501 <i>Bakemonogatari: Once you remove all of the fancy filters and confusion that the first episode threw at us, you remain with a story that lacks depth and characters that are just the average stereotypes</i> Maybe it was this i sensed when i watched Bakemonogatari's first episode. It's a fancy colored box with nohing inside. Pity it happens more and more often nowadays. Anime's graphics continues improving but contenents keep decreasig Bakemonogatari: Once you remove all of the fancy filters and confusion that the first episode threw at us, you remain with a story that lacks depth and characters that are just the average stereotypes
Maybe it was this i sensed when i watched Bakemonogatari’s first episode. It’s a fancy colored box with nohing inside.
Pity it happens more and more often nowadays. Anime’s graphics continues improving but contenents keep decreasig

]]> by: psgels http://psgels.blogsome.com/2009/07/11/aoi-hana-02/#comment-14500 Sat, 11 Jul 2009 12:00:38 +0100 http://psgels.blogsome.com/2009/07/11/aoi-hana-02/#comment-14500 Aegd: true. Shikabane Hime was the first thing that came to my mind, but there indeed are lots of differences. The thing with this episode for me is, that while the two of them indeed got to know each other better... they just feel flat and I didn't really like how such deep wounds as rape attempts and having survived such a cult were solved so seemingly easy as in this episode. Aegd: true. Shikabane Hime was the first thing that came to my mind, but there indeed are lots of differences. The thing with this episode for me is, that while the two of them indeed got to know each other better… they just feel flat and I didn’t really like how such deep wounds as rape attempts and having survived such a cult were solved so seemingly easy as in this episode.

]]> by: tealovertoma http://psgels.blogsome.com/2009/07/11/aoi-hana-02/#comment-14499 Sat, 11 Jul 2009 11:54:05 +0100 http://psgels.blogsome.com/2009/07/11/aoi-hana-02/#comment-14499 Sad to hear you didn't like the second episode of Bakemonogatari, but aegd posting makes me hope that I will. Aegd, how are you liking the overarching story? I haven't seen the second episode yet, but with psgels complaining about the story (and a sub for the second episode probably not happening any time soon), I'm a little worried. Sad to hear you didn’t like the second episode of Bakemonogatari, but aegd posting makes me hope that I will.

Aegd, how are you liking the overarching story? I haven’t seen the second episode yet, but with psgels complaining about the story (and a sub for the second episode probably not happening any time soon), I’m a little worried.

]]> by: mds http://psgels.blogsome.com/2009/07/11/aoi-hana-02/#comment-14498 Sat, 11 Jul 2009 11:43:53 +0100 http://psgels.blogsome.com/2009/07/11/aoi-hana-02/#comment-14498 well,glad to see you (finally) talk about Kenichi Kasai,since he's one of J.C. Staff's best director (the other one is Tatsuo Sato - Cat Soup,Stellvia,and Nadesico) I'm one of his fellow fans,actually...Honey and Clover is an amazing series,with one of the best male lead character ever. well,glad to see you (finally) talk about Kenichi Kasai,since he’s one of J.C. Staff’s best director (the other one is Tatsuo Sato - Cat Soup,Stellvia,and Nadesico)

I’m one of his fellow fans,actually…Honey and Clover is an amazing series,with one of the best male lead character ever.

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